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04/04/2007: "i wonder, who's cryin' now"

i have a buddy who plays pro football (don't read that as bragging, read that as "money is subjective.") we were having dinner sat night and someone brought up poker, which lead to someone talking about playing poker at his company. seems that at this company some nights they all stay late and play tournaments or small cash games. this guy was relating how a friend of an employee comes to the games sometimes and he is always trying to run over the table, i.e. pushing all-in pre-flop, raising people's blinds by 50x etc. typical bully stuff. now their buy-ins are set - generally $300 is max, regardless of what is on the table.

this discussion lead me to talk about a new local card room where i have been playing. the place only spreads pretty much $1/$2 NLHE and various tourneys. no $2/$4, $5/$10, etc. but the $1/$2 plays like a $5/$10! it is not uncommon for guys to have $1K+ in their stacks and table bullies are the norm, meaning pre-flop raises can be $200 or $300. generally there a couple of guys at each table that just play super aggressive. anyway, i was relating that what i like is that there is generally no table max - if you want to buy-in for $2K, hey go for it. to me, i like at the bare minimum being able to buy-in for equal to the big stack. in contrast, and to my consternation, online poker has fixed buy-ins. play the $1/$2 and you can buy-in for $200. that's it. if some guy has been sitting at the table all day, playing whack-a-mole and stacking up, well you are SOL. personally, why would i want to play with $200 when someone has $1200 in their stack? don't shake your head and say that is extreme - i have screenshots of Matasow sitting with $14K+ at a $5/$10 - 14x max buy-in!

my football buddy thinks fixed buy-ins are correct; he appreciates that if someone has built up a roll they get the spoils of running the table. kinda odd for a guy making a couple of mil a year to think this way, but who the fsck am i to contradict him - he's got the BA from Stanford in economics. heh.

so what the hell does this have to do with anything? after the jump....


Full Tilt Poker Game #2136189195: Table Whitney Ranch - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:07:48 ET - 2007/04/04
Seat 1: xlogic ($208)
Seat 2: jasonstorm9 ($82.45)
Seat 3: Reeflection ($190.75)
Seat 4: bpking27 ($100)
Seat 5: BigDogWoody ($216.75)
Seat 6: giveusakiss ($193.60)
Seat 7: Tenpiece ($270.10)
Seat 8: jasonbruchey ($163.90)
Seat 9: sellthekids ($193)
bpking27 posts the small blind of $1
BigDogWoody posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sellthekids [Kc Ks]
giveusakiss raises to $7
Tenpiece folds
jasonbruchey folds
sellthekids raises to $21
xlogic folds
jasonstorm9 folds
Reeflection folds
bpking27 folds
BigDogWoody folds
giveusakiss calls $14
*** FLOP *** [8c Qs 4s]
giveusakiss checks
sellthekids bets $32
giveusakiss raises to $64
sellthekids has 15 seconds left to act
sellthekids raises to $172, and is all in
giveusakiss calls $108
sellthekids shows [Kc Ks]
giveusakiss shows [Ad Ah]
*** TURN *** [8c Qs 4s] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [8c Qs 4s 2s] [Jh]
sellthekids shows a pair of Kings
giveusakiss shows a pair of Aces
giveusakiss wins the pot ($386) with a pair of Aces
sellthekids is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $389 | Rake $3
Board: [8c Qs 4s 2s Jh]
Seat 1: xlogic didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: jasonstorm9 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Reeflection (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: bpking27 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: BigDogWoody (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: giveusakiss showed [Ad Ah] and won ($386) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: Tenpiece didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: jasonbruchey didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: sellthekids showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings

sucks for me, right? but this hand is illustrative of a couple of things...such as, why did i push on the flop? (or such as, after 3 years of online poker i am still a noob making noob mistakes.)

well, seat 6 opens for a raise, using the pot button to bet $7. pretty standard. since i have five to act behind me, i am going to pop it for 3x his bet. this will either (a) isolate me with seat 6 or (b) take the pot down now. either way, those are good results.

seat six flat calls my raise and we see a flop, just the two of us. so i should be thinking here, what's seat six's range? well, since this is $1/$2 and online, i have only instinct to go on. i figure AK, AA, QQ, JJ, 10 10. that's it - five hands. anything less i would think a rational player is folding. seat 6 acts first and checks. i make a 2/3rd or so pot bet and get min raised. so where am i at? well, if he has AsKx then he is semi-bluffing. if he has AA i am crushed and is he has QQ i am crushed. i am pretty much not concerned that he has a set smaller than QQ. so why push?

well, if i smooth-call then i have $108 left - 54BB. another spade would be a scare card for me, but also could be a scare card for him. i would rather not see another spade. if i smooth-call and a blank hits, the pot is $173 and where do i go? i am still left with pushing or folding. there is no median ground.

and there is the rub: i push b/c my stack isn't deep enough to do anything else but fold. (although in hindsight, this is the right move. i am too much of a donkey for not being able to lay down.)

when i play $1/$2 live, i buy-in for $500-$600. the deeper stack allows for more play and allows for what i was hoping for - FOLD EQUITY!

see, if seat 6 has AA then my kings are crushed. but what hand is he putting me on? AK, KK, QQ, JJ, 10 10. he doesn't have the ace of spades and i have the king of spades. so i am figuring i might get some fold equity if he thinks i have AKs or QQ. but - i don't have enough to bully with. if each of us had $600 on the table at the beginning of the hand, then my push might work. with each of only having 50BB+ left, the chance of it working is less than 10% IMHO.

want to see fold equity in action? watch High Stakes Poker where Brad Booth makes Phil Ivy lay down kings (best hand!) with a massive all-in (one million dollars, muwhahahahahah) holding 4-2s.

anyway, i still suck. there was no fold equity and i should have folded. maybe one day i will play the game i am actually sitting in, not the game i was talking about on a previous date. donk!

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